How I AI - How Grok Bot designers use AI agents to build personal sites and product prototypes | John Bai & Peng Zheng

0:00I use AI to get me off my computer, not on my computer. And so the fact that you were at the gym, got asked to do something, and your disability be like, yep, go for it, get it done, and finish your workout, it's like a much nicer way to work. I was able to just screenshot in Figma these two separate art boards of work that was already in progress. And doing so, I just pointed to those.

0:21had the bot do its work, I didn't even read most of this stuff. It produced three outputs, copy pasted what Ben had sent me on Slack, and said, I think we got all these covered. While I'm on this call, work is getting done, which I really love. I think the fact that I don't have to do this stuff myself is a godsend. Now, when I go somewhere, I can basically just send grokvotic photo, a screenshot, or literally just the name of the place, and then figure out what the...

0:46It'll place this, it'll look it up through Google Places API, and I get the right location and coordinates. It'll fix the perspective and remove people and turn it into like a 3D miniature visual style that I use on the site. AI can feel like a threat to the creative arts. Like look, your highest calling was never to design gradient fills in Figma. And what I tell people is...

1:12Welcome back to How I AI. I'm Claire Vo, product leader and AI obsessive here on a mission to help you build better with these new tools. Today I have John and Pong from the GrockBot design team. And they're going to show us two really awesome AI design use cases. One, how to build a beautiful custom and easy to update personal site that meets the Barbie designer. And two, how GrockBot was used to design. GrockBot, including...

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3:01So I am a big bot girl. Actually, we were just talking before the show last night. We did a ladies who Grock bought night at Andreessen Horowitz. There were 900 registrants aligning around the block.

3:15Grockbot is having its moment. And one of the things I love is so many people inside SpaceX AI actually sharing really practical and unique use cases of how they themselves have found new ways to get work done, build software, do awesome things with Grockbot. So how has it been, you know, the past couple of weeks just been...

3:37being in the middle of this sort of explosion in rock bot interest. How does that feel shipping a product like that? It's really exciting. I mean, I feel like it's rare to have this amount of attention and this amount of engagement on something that a designer gets to work on. And I think we're learning day by day also from our users. I think there's a lot of questions being asked about us as though we're experts on the product just because we're designing it. But I think we're learning just as much from the users, from people sharing their own workflows, their tips and tricks, especially on X recently, and from you as well, Claire. It's been really fun. People don't know this, but before we started recording, we were actually scrolling through and prepping screen shares. And as we were going, all of us were like, oh, we need that feature. We need this feature. We need to make this a little bit easier. So it's fun to be able to see the process of this product evolve.

4:31as it has tremendous product market fit right out the gate. Well, Pong, I know that you have a workflow that you want to show us. And one of the things I love about Grockbot and AI agents in general is it's just really opening up new ways to do old things and easier ways to do things that we all used to do before. So walk us through what you're going to show us and why you think Grockbot is the right way to take on this task.

4:57Yeah, so I have this pretty personal story. I eat a lot of Chinese food. And then sometimes when you get a takeout, you know, the rice comes with this white paper box. So there's the right Chinese temple on it. And then last weekend I was looking at it and I had this random thought, like, where is this temple? Like, is it a real place? Where is it? So I searched online and I found it might be somewhere in San Francisco, Chinatown. And I was like, okay, let's find it out.

5:26I went to Chinatown. I worked around for a while and I did not actually find the temple, but I took a bunch of photos along the way. And there was this little produce shop, studying fruits and other stuff. And I took a photo of it. And later I was waiting for bus and I used AI to turn it into a 3D clay miniature. And I thought it looked pretty cool. And then later that day, when I went back home, I plan to redo my personal website. I've procrastinated for that for a while. And then I took that 3D grocery store and then I put it, drop it onto the homepage. So it's a little bit of whimsical. It's fun. The page is super minimal. Basically, it was just this tiny store. And in some texts about me, at the end, I wrote something like, last thing at JBC Market in Chinatown. And I was like,

6:23Oh, this was actually kind of interesting because I've always had this problem with personal website that especially as a designer, you spend all this time making one and then you launch it and people look at it for like 30 seconds and then they leave. And honestly, even myself don't really go back to see it that much. So I didn't want to make it just another personal website. Sitting there, I wanted to be a little bit more.

6:50alive and actually be more useful to me because I'm also kind of person that I try to like check in to your places and then I like this idea of having a record of where I've been, who I was with and like what I was doing. And there have been like so many apps on the market to do this. Like every couple years, this one year checking app and then people use it for a while and eventually disappears. So I was like, oh, why don't I make it just my personal website?

7:19Why don't I create it myself? And immediately I thought, if I'm going to do it, I don't want to manually do it every single time. Why can't it just update itself when I go somewhere? So that's when I started talking to Grop Bot. Because normally, even for this simple, small ideas, I I'm not sure what I need. Maybe I need a CMS. I need some kind of admin portal. I need to upload an image somewhere. I need to host the website, deploy it, store the code. And I'm like, I don't want to build all of that. I don't even know where to get it started. So I just want to test it, how it works with GrapBot. I basically told GrapBot, here is the idea. What's the simplest way to do it? How can we make this work? And we just started building it.

8:11There's no Figma file, there's no SPAC. Honestly, I didn't really know where it was going. I was just trying to do one thing and then look at it and then think about, oh, well, what if it can do this? What if it can do that? And then it implemented and then we get another idea. So it was very fun just to going with the flow and like trust the vibe. And eventually this idea turned into a checking pipeline.

8:40So now, when I go somewhere, I can basically just send grokbot a photo, a screenshot, or literally just the name of the place. And I'll figure out what the place is. It will look it up through Google Places API, and I get the right location, coordinates. It will process the image. It will generate a light version and a dark version. It will fix the perspective and remove people, isolate the facade of that building.

9:07and turn it into like a 3D miniature visual style that I use on the site. And then I was like, okay, location is one thing, but a lot of time, more interesting part is the people, like who am I with? So I added that too. I was gonna say that looks like Twin Peaks. I was like, is it Twin Peaks? Did I get it right? It looks great. Yeah, that was three days ago.

9:31So now when I hand out with a friend, I can literally send a screenshot of the place and a screenshot of my friend's social profile. And the grog ball will take over the rest. So I have this checking bot that I specifically built for this workflow. It figures everything out. It turns it into a data structure that my website expects. Maybe we can try it now. Like if three of us meet in a physical place, maybe a famous landmark or something. You can name a place. Oh, I'll name, because I live in Bernal Heights. So why don't you say we're at Bernal Heights? I guess just called Bernal Heights Peak. Yeah, they're like a specific abuting or like a landmark. Yeah, it's kind of like Twin Peaks. It's just a different, it's another hill in San Francisco. Okay, since we are not there, but we can just find it anyway. Oh, at the swing. There is a clandestine swing. You see it right here? Yep, that's it.

10:29that somebody keeps putting up and the city keeps pulling down. It's like a real point of contention. Okay, let's see if it works. And I'll put your social handle and John's social handle there. I love this pipeline. I have to take a step back while you're getting this to load. So I think the hardest thing for AI to do is build a personal site that a designer will like.

10:57about themselves. So just the fact that you were able to get to that point, I mean, I've been a designer in a past life. I just avoid my personal site because I hate the idea of deciding something represents me and shipping it. So the fact that even you can get to something you like, I'm very impressed with. And then the second thing that I think is so fun is you've made it really easy and low friction for you to keep the site updated in a really unique high quality visual way. So I think that is really interesting. You know, if you had to like go home and download your photo and copy and paste in the X profiles and do all this stuff, you probably wouldn't keep the site.

11:44updated. It's too much mental load. And so I love this idea that you've compressed all these steps that you would have had to do historically probably through some sort of CMS or pushing directly to the site to just a bot that has a very specific use case and does this for you. I'm curious while this is running, how did you get it to generate these 3D images so well and so high quality?

12:12Yeah, so the pipeline behind it is like figured out by Gropot. It would generate two images, one light when dark, because when a theme turns too dark, I want the lights to turn on. I wanted two versions of the image. And then they have to be consistent, and then this was baked in the prompt. And I think the interesting part for me is none of this is actually fancy. It's just a bunch of pretty simple building blocks.

12:41There's Google Plays or Google Maps, and then there's Image Generation, and there's some like structured data. And then there's the website just render everything. And then GropBot is basically the thing that connect all the dots together. And I think that felt a little bit of different to me, because before I would have probably had this idea, I thought about all the stuff I need to do, and maybe do it later, and I'll never do it. But here.

13:09I didn't really have to know what the final system was going to be. I just started with this random photo from a produce store. And then one thing just led to another, and Grappa helped me along the way. At the end of the day, somehow I had this checking system running. I really love this. I'll give you kind of a...

13:31really chaos reigns idea which is we had this woman Maddie Reese on our podcast recently and she opened up a personal API so that people could pull information about her and also post to her site. You can give very select use of, you know, very select friends.

13:51some programmatic access to update on your behalf in case you forget. You know, you can make this a little bit of a social experience. You can see, you know, decide who you trust to do it. But this pipeline is so nice. It seems like very fun to kind of make a social experience as well. You're going to come full circle and make the next check-in app. You are. We are. I have a very funny, my husband and I have been together for a long time. We've started a lot of businesses.

14:21probably 20 years ago he was trying to do a social check-in app and he would literally, I would literally, I would be at bars, we would be friends, he would be at bars. He's like, can you please, can you please check in, check in on my app at this bar? It's like true, true bootstrap, gorilla marketing back in the day. And now you can just tell your AI bot to check in on your behalf. Well, Pong, if you can get this connected to Swarm, I'm definitely gonna plug into this as well. I'm still an OG user of Swarm.

14:51Yeah, I've been using it for a long time. I do see it as a trend that people become more expressive and become more autonomous, and they can set up their unique way to doing things, to checking, to record their life, to bring this memory in the format that only adapts to their own preferences.

15:12You know another thing that I want to call out for designers because again in a previous life I was a designer is I have considered myself very creative for a very long time and have a good sense of you know this thing that everybody's calling taste but what what does good look like and what is high quality but I lacked some hard skills and really struggled with a specific set of hard design skills I felt were very inaccessible to me. So look, I can round a corner radius to the pixel. I can get kerning right. I am a UI UX designer. That I can do all day and all night. I cannot illustrate to save my life. I know what a good illustration looks like.

15:58I cannot do it. It is just not in my skill set. And so one of the things that I really love about AI as somebody who has a basis of skills, maybe strategic experience, but not hard skills in specific practices is it makes my ability to be a more well-rounded designer a lot more possible because it gives me these generation tools and these computer use tools and these deep like spikes in specific skill sets that let me pair it with the things that I'm actually good at and get a better outcome in general. Do you all ever feel that where you're like, oh man, in the past life, I would have never been able to do this like 3D clay render. I would have always wanted to, but I've had to ask my awesome 3D rendering friend to do this. Like, do you all experience that? Is that just me? I think many people are discovering that it unlocks a lot of the skill sets that you once thought were inaccessible. I think both of us.

16:56From my experience, it's a lot of motion work where I can describe it and kind of even use my hands to point out what's supposed to take place, but then with prompting, it becomes possible. Peng, I'm not sure about you if there's anything beyond what you're showing. I think the opportunity is like the cost of making things become so low that we can imagine something that costs a lot more in the past now. It's so easy to do. And then this opens new opportunities and combination of the things we can create.

17:24Yeah, I would say the things that I'm seeing a lot, and I tell designers this, you know, I do think there is, it looks like callus beta spade, AI can feel like a threat to the creative arts. Like it just can. People talk about it all the time. And what I tell people is, like, look, your highest calling was never to like design gradient fills in Figma. Like that was not what you were put on this earth.

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19:36Oh, look. It looks like it finished. Yeah, it's done. And I think it's published to the website now. Very cute. We have this. I'll capture the swing. I love it. If you want a real Easter egg at night, you know, we have the secret guy putting up the swing. And during the day, the swing is gone. The swing is gone because that's what's happening with the very controversial swing at the Bernal Heights Park. But I...

20:07Love this. How fun. And just something that I would have never imagined you could do before. This is so cool. You know, this is a personal use case and I think a really lovely one. But let's switch over to work stuff because John, you've been using Grockbot to design Grockbot and have some really interesting workflows you're going to show us. Yeah, happy to talk about that. I think for me, some folks have already read an article that I wrote that was how I design using.

20:35No, no, how I designed Grockbot using Grockbot. And I go over a couple of different ideas of how it's unlocked productivity for me, how it's really made some of the tasks that used to be really inaccessible or really boring, more accessible and a little less boring. One of the ones I wanted to talk through today was on Figma Bro, which I also shared out as a bot template. So other designers out there who want to try it can use it.

21:00Hopefully you can help improve it and share it back with me and I can update it in my own RockBot. I just want to talk through two quick use cases and that's the first one being on the screen right here. This is an actual prompt that I gave it using voice recording. So I'll just read it. Okay, here's the situation. I have a link in Figma as an example. On the left, I have a screenshot of a couple of icons. That's this over here that need to be essentially placed next to each of the bots in the exact same placement.

21:25I have the second screenshot, which shows ones that don't have an icon next to them. So take the icon, scale it up, put it in the same position as the rest of the bots that I've screenshotted, and ensure that they're in the same position, scale the icon so that I have a whole set of these. If anything is unclear, tell me. And the reason we needed this was because Ben was doing some community assets and asked me to put together something really quickly. It was 8.52, so I was wrapping up at the gym, and I was able to just screenshot in Figma, these two separate artboards.

21:53of work that was already in progress, one being from the ICON library and the other being from the brand book. And doing so, I just pointed to those, had the bot do its work, I didn't even read most of this stuff, but it produced three outputs and I was like, great, copy pasted what Ben had sent me on Slack and said, I think we got all these covered. And then it made this little table. I was still at the gym at the time, so this is more voice messaging.

22:20But then it kept iterating, maybe making it a little bit bigger, rounding it so it looks good, and I can check that it looks good in a rounded state. And then eventually getting feedback that maybe we could play with the color, and so applying that as well. And this is the type of thing that maybe wouldn't take super long in Figma, but now I'm just doing while I'm not even at my computer. Can you just walk us through exactly how this is hooked up to Figma for folks that kind of just don't even know how this magic happens?

22:48Yeah, so there's a Figma MCP, which we use and is pretty effective, especially if you just give the, once you've made the connection, give your bot the link to it and give it some very specific set of controls. In my bot itself, it has the skills and some specifics that I request of it. I like to have my artboards laid out side by side horizontally in maybe 50 pixels apart or 100, depending on the size of them. And I tell it all these things up front so that it doesn't give me like a messy file when I come back to it. It works really smartly with a template I found. And so from before I kind of had to direct it a few more times, but I have a second example that I can show you, which is a little bit more precise with how I set it up. Awesome. And this was just earlier today. Right now it's around two. This was an hour ago where I was asked to create some marketing material for our latest bot marketplace, which is launching today.

23:42And we want to highlight some of the primary use cases. We have the bots that are being provided to us by people, yourself included, Claire. And we're highlighting some of these things in marketing material. And so what I did was I'll share you what I did in Figma. It was up here. I made one quick template and I labeled it for Shub because he asked me for it. And I told the bot using that, which I linked right here. Here's the message. Here's the template.

24:12use our brand book backgrounds and wallpapers and match the styling that I have, but apply it to every other one. And you'll notice that some of them don't have the photo fully updated, some of them do, which means I need to go back and prod it. But this just saved me the time of needing to go manually onto each site, pull down each photo, update each one, change the instance, change the background, change the copy. It's all done for me here. So while I'm on this call, work is getting done, which I really love. I think the fact that I don't have to do this stuff myself.

24:41is a godsend. And I have to say, look, Trabbot spotted right there. Claire's personal bot. Very, very popular one that has really changed my life. I love this because, you know, again, this stuff is so beautiful. And as designers, what you want to spend time on is making these assets really great. You don't necessarily need to be doing production design, which is...

25:07you know, carrying it across different assets and polishing in different versions. And so your ability to spend more time, I'm presuming, on the foundations that make this system really extensible. And then letting Figma Bro, love the name, let Figma Bro, Figma Bro and Tradbot would be friends, by the way, let Figma Bro kind of like do the production work, I think is really amazing. And then for folks that missed it, you know, what I tell people is I use AI to get me off my computer, not on my computer. And so the fact that you were at the gym, got asked to do something, you know, especially something like Figma that really does require like your human fingers on a touchpad or whatever to do it. And your disability be like, yep, go for it, get it done, and finish your workout, I think is so nice. It's just like a much nicer way to work. Yeah. And speaking of on the go, the other bot that I want to highlight is

26:04devbot or experiments, both of them I kind of use interchangeably, but the high level idea behind these is a lot of times you get an idea, an interaction or a layout, a specific type of design that you want to explore, but once again you might not be at your computer, a classic shower thoughts moment where you want to capture something and maybe even get it to a certain level of fidelity, but you don't have the time and energy just then and there to do so.

26:29which brings me to Devbot, who works really closely with experiments also over here. So, I mean, you're starting to see a pattern in the way that I work. This was also on the go. I took a screenshot of our actual mobile app experience, a screenshot of my bot called Slacksearch, and gave a voice memo to the bot saying, I wanted to make a specific type of prototype. So I described it, all using voice, kind of rambling a little bit, but in essence, it was...

26:56When I share an agent, we've been using this term of a snapshot, a template. It's not the agent itself, but it's a copy of it to give to another coworker or friend or whatever. And so the idea was, what if it would actually do a screenshot effect? If I click the share button, it takes the screenshot, shrinks down, zooms back to the preview template. And I just had that idea, wanted to test it, gave it to the bot to run with. And it talked to MotionGod, because there's a lot of things that I described that were...

27:23things, elements on the screen that were transitioning. It had its own conversations. I barely even checked it once again until I came back to its work. And I'll just jump to the end state, which is right here. We had to recreate some of the components within the test repo that we have, but it came up with two options of what I asked for. The first being if I click share agent here, there's a little screenshot effect, then zooms into it and shows some of the details. I could see the routines of the bot and it moves when I switch.

27:53tabs, shows the plugins, and then you can copy a link and send it. And I asked for a little bit more of a subtle approach as well, and it basically took that and turned it into a version that just goes directly into the share modal. And so clever idea in the end decided not to go in this direction. It felt a little bit too derivative of kind of the iOS screenshot idea that originated this whole exploration. But I do love how easy it is to take just the concept that normally you would have to either prototype with the noodles and figma, take the time to actually consider how it gets built, if you're prototyping in code. Describe it in plain words and say, run with it, do with my description of it how you will, interpret it and turn it into something that I can interact with. So ideas bot maybe should be the combination of what I'm using today as experiments and dev bot. But yeah, the random shower thoughts can now become a real working prototype. One thing that, you know, again, I've

28:52been in tech a million years and so in the past I am telling you some delightful amazing designer would have been like I had this great idea we're gonna like screen it's good when we do share you're gonna get the screenshot effect it's gonna like feel so good it's gonna like give people a spike at dopamine they're gonna love it we're gonna share more things and what would have happened is you would have hit a product manager that says not a priority show me the ROI, what's the OKR? And an engineer being like, I'm not going to build that stupid thing I have tech debt to do or like a bunch of stuff. And even if you get through the gauntlet of both of those and you get it built and you're like, never mind, don't love it. Don't love it. People are angry. They're like, we dedicated time. We prioritize this. It's like you don't deprecate any of these things. And so the thing that I call this like the trash trash can method of software development, which is like building things.

29:45with the presumption that it is totally inexpensive to throw them in the trash, whether those are prototypes or things that you get to your customers. And I think it allows you to be a lot more expansive about what the process of product development, software development looks like, because you're not always stopping yourself saying, is this enough to justify getting it into the app? Is this enough to bother somebody to get it?

30:09you know higher priority than this or that and so for somebody who has built a lot of software in a lot of environments for a very long time that is the piece of products like this that really make me excited because you can iterate so quickly you don't have to shut off that like creative part of your brain that says well what if this what if that um and you don't have to be stressed that you're quote-of-quote racing resources um when when you come up with an idea that you're not 100% sure of but want to see what it looks like Totally agree. And I think that makes it more fun to be a designer again, honestly. A lot of the previous constraints, the parts of the design process, and working cross-functionally that were a headache before, are a little less of a problem these days, like you said. Amazing. Well, I love it just to recap for folks.

30:58a Sigma Bro, your design spotter while you're at the gym, getting the reps in on your art boards, and then experiment and dev bot, basically like take your shower thoughts, take your walk thoughts, and the implementation is none of your business. Let them cook. You come back to an idea and then it's up to you whether or not you want to ship it or not.

31:19Okay, so this has been so fun to recap for folks. We've shown sort of like the personal workflows and how you can do kind of amazing things that you wouldn't have been able to do before with very minimal toil using Grockbot as sort of like a development and design pipeline. John showed us, you know, how to experiment, design, do production more efficiently with Grockbot. Let's just take a step back. Let's go to lightning round questions. My first one, just very quick between you two, other than the bots you showed.

31:49Can like, how do you think about your bots? Who are your favorites? How do you organize them? A lot of my digital life has been dedicated to all different types of grog bots. In general, I organize them in two buckets, life and work. So I have a couple of bots that are dedicated for each part of my life. For example, my chief of staff. I manage all the bots, but I sometimes do talk to other bots. But I delegate.

32:16the things I don't know who to delegate it to to the to the COS bot. So I think last night I was asking it to buy some 3D printing filament for me. So that's the plastic material that 3D printer use to making things. And what's interesting is not only it can help you search, find, and buy the item, you can actually train different tasks together. Like I asked it once you are done, update.

32:44the inventory list, because I keep this 3D printing filament inventory in motion, and I want it to automatically add this record. It purchased it for me. And I think that's truly the power of it, is to train different tasks in our daily life together, and then give it a higher task, and let it figure out what the steps one needs to do, maybe can learn it. And then the next time you do it, just do the thing that we did last month, and then even have it automatically do it.

33:14I have an email manager, which will surface all my action items. This was last night, I was checking any action items from my input inbox. And then there's some USPS delivery issue, then I ask it to help me contact them. I have the calendar manager who has become, in fact, become my calendar now. So I'm scheduling someone for a coffee chat next week. And then most of my time today, and I just take a screenshot of the conversation. It can be on any IM tool. This one's on LinkedIn and I just send it and then ask you to put a placeholder on my calendar. I almost never open the calendar app anymore. You can also put bots into a group. So let's say in this example, I had this idea design a app that

34:06translate class mail to English. So I throw this idea into the group chat. And then in the group chat, we have a PM. We have a designer. We have a engineer. And then they started to talk about the idea from their own perspective. And it's so interesting to see how this simple seed planted in the group chat and now derive new ideas around it. I even use it.

34:32prepared the podcast that we're doing right now. I don't have a microphone. And I asked my IT bot who's like taking care of all my IT questions. What type of microphone I need. And I only have this one. Does it work? And for personal life, it's replacing my news app. So every morning, 7 AM, I'll receive a newsletter. And it's personalized. I tell it I want to.

35:00AI information, I want to news about AI that relevant to me. I wanted to like have it do fact check and then source the official links as much as possible. And then this one is illegal advisors. So it's taking care of a lot of repetitive tasks. For example, I'm in this waitlist for, I'm not playing ring card, I mean waitlist for this visa bulletin and checking manually every month in a path. So I just dedicated this task to it and then I give the link and it will go check it every month and then let me know, okay, you are in the queue, what's the waiting list? So data. I love it. So it seems like you have just kind of like...

35:49All the admin all the life admin you need to do whether it's shopping Whether it's you know checking in on different status regular check ins and then I love the idea of like I don't want an email anymore, and I don't want a calendar anymore I want a bot to tell me where to show up and that's it and so you know just just for folks watching this Again, it's like make it as easy as possible to take the task you're doing to the finish line, right? Like you knew you needed to buy 3D printing filament, but you just don't want to open up the app, click the buttons, pick the right one, get sucked into the reviews, get distracted by the, you know, associated products. You're just like, buy, buy the thing. Or, you know, even calendar events, you like pull it up and you look and like, I have a conflict, what do I do? And you get distracted by Slack. Like all these things, I think just allow you to kick off a task and pull it all the way through.

36:44without distraction and just make sure that you get a lot of stuff done. And I think the breadth of use cases here is pretty incredible. John, do you have any that are different than this? Like one or two that you think folks aren't thinking of or that are a little different than the average, you know, admin shopping one? I do have some that are a little bit particular. And one is just, I just started a few days ago. I've been learning Japanese and The thing about Japanese as a language is there's hiragana, there's katakana, and there's kanji. And so there's different ways of reading one language. And recently I had the thought to just maybe communicate with this bot, which is just a Japanese practice bot, both in a way to up-level my reading of kanji as much as possible, but then have the pronunciation underneath it when I need it, as well as finally an English response. So I just basically told it, give me all three forms.

37:41so that I can learn as I go in just regular communication with you. I was having it look for a specific book, as you could tell up above. I was going to have it translated, but then it came out, so I ended up buying it. The other use case is, one, maybe this very particular. I think we're all aware of how the American insurance system is set up. And for me, it's not even that big of a deal. It's just knowing that it's possible for me to set up the bot to know my insurance plan.

38:10take any photo of a receipt or, you know, any sort of doctor statement and just ensure that I'm getting the most bang for my buck. And this one, you know, half the time it doesn't even, there's nothing additional that I can get out of it, but it just gives me a piece of mind knowing that I can send anything to it and know that I'm getting my money's worth. Yeah. I want to give people, I'm guessing kind of how this is set up, which is you're like, this is my plan. Here's my coverage. Any time I'm going to get a prescription or look for a provider or go to a specialist, like reference my plan and make sure that I'm making the best decisions. Is that kind of the high level, what it does? And in addition, anytime there's an invoice or a receipt, I say, do I need to do another follow up or am I getting the maximum savings? I love this so much. As a self-employed person who finances her own health care, this is going to be one that I go set up right out the gate.

39:05okay last writing on question we're almost at the end of our time i must ask because you have so many bots and they all have these personalities and names you have figma bro i have trad bot um when the bots are being silly when they're when they're not doing what you want how do you prompt are you all yellers is there some trick to getting your bots back on track Here's the thing about working at SpaceX AI is oftentimes when you need to troubleshoot, they ask for your session ID, and I don't want my coworkers seeing how I talk to my bot. And so I've gotten nicer over time, I'll say. I reply with a lot of emotions sometimes, but I think a useful tips is every time you can ask the bot to memorize this, so in the future, if this happened again, then just follow the script you learned last time.

39:58So kind of distill and then iterate it itself. And then the longer you use it, the better it becomes and more adapts to your needs. I love that. Great, great tips both. One, remember who's reading your transcripts. And two, just ask your bot too. Remember how to avoid the problem in the first place. You've been so generous with showing this. You've given me so many ideas.

40:19I'm going to go back. You're going to get a brand new Clairvaux.com by the end of the afternoon. I am so psyched about this. You just gave me the best ideas. Where can we find you other than all over the timeline where BOT is going wild? Where can we find you and how can we be helpful? I'm chronically online. You can find me at John Bye, which is just my name. Yeah, that's the same for me. I'm on X, and it's lovely to be in everybody.

40:45post and talk about design of the Grouper out there. Awesome. Well, and y'all go out and try it. Love, truly. It's been really awesome and regretfully has replaced my beloved Open Clause. So I think it's worth a spin. Both of you, thank you so much for joining how I. Thank you. Thank you for having us. Thanks so much for watching. If you enjoyed the show, please like and subscribe here on YouTube or even better, leave us a comment with your thoughts.

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