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0:02I was in a conference room waiting to meet with a client, and I saw the magazine on the coffee table in the reception area. In the late 90s, Debbie Millman was advising companies on branding. She picked up an issue of Fast Company, and the cover stopped her in her tracks. It was unlike anything she'd seen before. It was this very dramatically designed cover, oranges and very powerful colors.

0:31The cover looked like an ad for tied laundry detergent with its big blue lettering. But instead of saying tied laundry detergent, it said, a brand called you. A brand called you. As of this moment, you are going to think of yourself differently. You're not an employee of General Motors. You're not a staffer at General Mills. You don't belong to any company for life, and your chief affiliation isn't to any particular function.

1:02You're not defined by your job title and you're not confined to your job description. Starting today, you are a brand. The cover story talked about this new construction of our corporate selves that was required in the modern marketplace and I was struck by this sort of brand thinking.

1:26It seemed really sexy. It seemed a way to leverage who you were in a bigger, more significant, more statuesque kind of way. Since then, it's become a mantra. If you want to succeed in your career, you need to build your personal brand. LinkedIn is littered with personal branding advice, and you can hire consultants, coaches, and influencers to help you build your Instagram brand. The idea of a personal brand might sound harmless.

1:55Maybe even useful. After all, in a competitive world, it's good to be known for something. But trying to build a brand is the wrong way to do it. People can own brands. They can create brands. They can manage brands. They could design brands. But once you start to construct yourself as a brand, I believe that you forfeit everything that is the best part of being human. You're not a product.

2:25You don't need to market yourself in a shiny package. What you want to build is a reputation. I'm Adam Grant, and this is WorkLife, my podcast with Ted. I'm an organizational psychologist. I study how to make work not suck. In this show, we explore how to unlock the potential in people and workplaces. Today, the case against personal branding. When you hear the word brand, what comes to mind? Apple? Nike? Amazon?

3:11These companies spend billions carefully crafting an image. They want you to associate them with particular values. Apple's brand is anchored on design and innovation. Nike's revolves around sport and excellence. Amazon's focuses on customer obsession. When you build a personal brand, you apply the same logic to yourself. Developing a personal brand helps you stand out in a crowded market. Investing in your personal brand is investing in your future.

3:42In today's digital landscape, having a strong personal brand is no longer optional. It's essential. It's essential. It's essential. You need to. Do it. You have to. Do it. What are you waiting for? I was nothing before my personal brand. You want people to associate you with particular values and virtues. So you identify your target audience and come up with a desired image. Maybe you want to be known in the ad industry as a creative visionary or in the manufacturing world as a quality control master.

4:08You put your tagline all over your social media profiles. You post the awards you won all over your feed, hashtag blessed. You ask people to like your posts to boost their popularity. You're executing a strategy to project your image to your audience. And therein lies the problem. I am vehemently opposed to the notion of someone aspiring to be a brand. It's intentional, but it's also fake. I think a personal brand is an oxymoron.

4:38When someone tries to create a personal brand, they're manufacturing an impersonal perception. Debbie Millman teaches a class at the School of Visual Arts. She named it ironically, A Brand Called You. When we position ourselves as a brand, we're essentially forcing ourselves to project an image of what we believe most people will approve of and admire and Buy in two. Personal branding is fundamentally a performance. It's about appearing a certain way, not being a certain way. And that's where it starts to get weird. If somebody wants to risk presenting themselves as this manufactured entity.

5:25then they run the risk of creating a level of perception that is and always will be impossible to maintain only because they're human. I mean think about it. Manufactured brands have a hard enough time staying consistent, staying relevant, staying beloved. And we're expected to do that as a person that can't even show up the same way every day just because they have different moods or because they might get sick or because they might gain weight or because they might marry the wrong person. I mean, come on. Personal branding runs the risk of putting your image above your identity.

6:07Your attention centers on how you want to be seen instead of who you want to become. Your decisions are based on the impression you want to project rather than the character you want to cultivate. Even if you think you can solve that problem, there's another reason to be wary of personal branding. Few people can pull it off. In a recent study at a multinational firm, people filled out a survey about their personal branding.

6:31They rated how effective they'd been at creating a positive image in the eyes of others and making themselves known in their fields. People who thought they had created a strong personal brand rated themselves as more successful and more employable. But they didn't do better on objective metrics. They didn't get higher performance ratings or get paid more than their peers. The idea that I'm going to be a brand myself, promoting yourself in that way is unlikely to lead to extrinsic types of career success like more money and promotions. Mark Bolino is a management professor at the University of Oklahoma and a leading expert on impression management. Impression management involves using behaviors to create a certain image in other people's eyes. You're trying to make people see you in a certain way and so you engage in certain types of behaviors to facilitate that image.

7:27To build a personal brand, the go-to behavior is self-promotion, advertising your talents and accomplishments. There's a time and a place for that. In a job interview, it's perfectly appropriate to self-promote. The research shows that in interview context, that's the one place that promoting yourself works. But it turns out that self-promotion is ineffective in most situations and counterproductive in some. Most of what I've...

7:54read and research myself on self-promotion really just points out a lot of the downsides. It works best when people don't know things about you. In the workplace, people know a lot of things about you. And so how you act on a regular basis, that's what really matters. When you try to promote your personal brand, you take three risks. One, it can make you look self-absorbed. Self-promotion violates social norms of humility.

8:22Research shows that when people constantly advertise their own achievements, they're seen as arrogant, unfriendly, and self-centered. You want to be seen as competent, but a lot of times you're seen as sort of conceited. And if you're a woman, the backlash is even stronger. Unfortunately, due to gender stereotypes that position women as modest and other-oriented, people react more negatively to self-promotion by women than men.

8:47Women can be seen as more competent when they use self-promotion, but they're seen as less warm. And so that's a real double-edged sword there. Racial minorities often face similar challenges. There's a study about African-American employees using self-promotion and it completely backfires. And so the way people make judgments about those who self-promote and those who engage in impression management aren't necessarily fair.

9:13The second risk of promoting your personal brand is that it can make you look fake. A carefully curated, sparkling personal brand can actually damage your credibility. There's evidence that when everything seems too perfect, it can cast doubt on your authenticity. Authenticity is the key with impression management. And so anytime you seem inauthentic, this is when things are going to backfire. We trust people who are real, vulnerable, and multi-dimensional.

9:42not those who seem like they're managing their own PR. An obvious exception is social media influencers, but they're professional performers. Their personal brand is literally their job. They know it, and their audience knows it. The third risk of promoting your personal brand is that it can make you look insecure. Research shows that pervasive boasting is a sign of narcissism. People who are secure in their success and status don't need to incessantly broadcast how great they are.

10:11Psychologists have long found that this creates a paradox. The paradox is that the people who live the most competent don't need to self-promote and the people who are least competent are the ones who engage in the most self-promotion. Of course, this doesn't mean you should ignore your image altogether. It's well documented that people who don't think about impression management at all end up limiting their own success. Instead of focusing on building a brand, I think it's more productive to focus on building a portfolio of work.

10:40This is a major theme of Debbie Millman's class. Yeah, it's the difference between a sort of calculated construction of self and developing a body of work that reveals original ideas. I think that sharing who you are is a wonderful thing. If you're showing your character, if you're building a reputation, That's great. It's when you begin to position that behavior as a brand. That's when I think it becomes problematic. Tell me what the difference is between thinking about building a reputation and building a personal brand. Building a reputation is done through the removal of self through your work. You're offering your ideas.

11:29to the public. They're your ideas. They're your paintings. They're your essays. They're your music. They're your performance. They're not you, but you have created them. And that's what you're offering. That's what you're sharing.

11:48You're not really sharing yourself when you've created a personal brand. You're sharing a projection of yourself. So there's a barrier between who you are and what you're projecting. When you're sharing your work, you're actually sharing something that you've made. When you share your personal brand, you're sharing something that you construct is a huge difference. Instead of promoting yourself, you focus on promoting your ideas.

12:17Rather than obsessing over how you're perceived, you concentrate on how you can contribute. Self-promotion says, look at me, I'm amazing. Idea promotion says, look at this, I have something worth sharing. This is something I've thought about from the day I started posting on social media. You might think I have a personal brand, but I never set out to build one. I made a conscious decision not to broadcast accomplishments or awards.

12:45In fact, my goal was to post as little about myself as possible. I took it as a good sign when people complained that I didn't tell enough personal stories. My focus has always been on sharing insights, sometimes mine, but far more often by shining a spotlight on other people's work.

13:09to understand how you present yourself in the world, how you live and engage and contribute, your ideas to the world. Image shouldn't be your goal. It should be a byproduct of how you pursue your goals. But sometimes your contributions are invisible. Sometimes people don't know the value you create. So how do you make sure you're building your reputation? More on that after the break. Let me just say, You sent me this email with what I think is the greatest resume ever written. You're kidding me. It's the gold standard for me. Chevy Cook is in the US Army. He says an interesting thing about the army is that you actually wear a lot of your resume right on your uniform. The medals, the badges, the tabs, they all tell a story. But those accolades don't tell the full story. So when Chevy was meeting his new boss, a Navy admiral for the first time, he did something bold.

14:16The resume he submitted didn't just include his accomplishments. It also featured this. Along with school rejections, it had awards he wasn't nominated for, professional opportunities he didn't get, and selected leadership failures. When I was a team leader for a small special operations team, I was removed from that position and the commander tried to actually give me a general officer memorandum of reprimand, which is a type of document that would actually end an officer's career and kick me out of the army.

15:03Seer school, it's a survival school. I had to go to that school twice. His resume even featured personal failures. I've shown my oldest daughter too much of my temper. I have been not emotionally supportive enough for my wife. I have not cultivated a better relationship with my birth parents. When Chevy had the idea to create a failure resume, people warned him not to do it. They said it would ruin his reputation, that he would lose the respect of his superiors.

15:31But he shared his failure resume anyway. And it prompted his new boss to share a moment he had with his own kids. They immediately formed a connection. Not because we were service members. Not because I was going to work for him. But because I shared something with him that he couldn't find out unless I shared it with him. I think it helped me get standing in immediate trust in a job. I wondered if that was an isolated incident. But Chevy didn't stop there.

16:01He posted his failure resume on LinkedIn for the world to see. Instead of deleting the post, Chevy shared his failure resume with a class of cadets he was teaching at the military academy.

16:30to not only coming to me, but then going to their peers. I mean, there's information in here that you're definitely and clearly not proud of. Yeah, absolutely. So how did you feel going into that? So every time I feel the same way, I feel that the one instance, confident knowing who I am, you know, I got this idea about integrity. It goes back to the root word integer. I want to be a whole, right? So I want to show all. So I have this confidence of what I am.

17:00going to show actually who I am. It can be nerve-wracking, but that's also okay. Chevy is now a Lieutenant Colonel in the US Army, and he shares his failure resume with everyone he works with. I've had more people tell me to continue to do it than I have had people to tell me not to. I think it keeps me humble. It keeps me at least accountable to others because they see that things are on there.

17:26By sharing his failures, Chevy isn't trying to build a brand. He's aiming to reveal his character. That's a key difference between building a brand and building a reputation. A brand is a curated image of how you want to be seen. A reputation is a complete view of what you're like. You're not just trying to make a positive impression. You're trying to help people form an accurate impression of you. And the best way to do that is to be honest about yourself.

17:54You may not be ready to share your failure resume with the world, but building a strong reputation is about creating balance in what you share about yourself. It involves showing your limitations as well as your gifts and concern for others as well as yourself. You're focused on adding value, not just vanity. There are lots of ways to get your work seen without getting braggy. In fact, if you don't share the interesting, useful stuff you've created, you're doing the world a disservice.

18:23But building a strong reputation is a matter of sharing thoughtfully. One of Mark Bolino's favorite techniques is called dual promotion. Dual promotion is where I'm going to promote myself, but I'm also going to promote somebody else at the same time. So I might say something like, wow, I've worked on that paper with Adam. He is so great with data analytics. And he helped me get that a journal publication or that top publication or he helped me get some sort of publicity that I was seeking. I'm getting credit for the one thing, but I'm giving credit to the person who helped me or I'm promoting somebody else at the same time. When people know that you support others, they're less likely to feel threatened by your success. Insecurity often stops people from sharing credit, but that's a mistake. Elevating others elevates you. The bottom line is trying to help other people. You're trying to inspire them. You're trying to raise them up.

19:23you may benefit at the same time, but the other goal is that you're helping other people. So the perception of the primary motives matters a lot? For sure, yeah. If people just in their gut say, this person is just looking out for themselves, then that's where I think you get all these sort of negative attributions and evaluations from other people. You know, you're not going to be seen as likable and you're going to be seen a little bit of as a braggart, you know, that sort of thing.

19:53So if you're in sales and you want to announce that you closed a big deal, thank the person who gave you the referral. And if you're a writer, you can focus on sharing the critical insight from your latest story, rather than the awarded one, and shine a spotlight on the people who helped make it happen. There's one more way to share your accomplishments without sounding insufferable. Just ask Snoop Dogg. When he got his star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, he gave a speech that went viral. He thanked his fans, He thanked his mentors, and then he did something unexpected. I want to thank me. I want to thank me for believing in me. It's called humor bragging. It's actually supported by research. Across six studies, job applicants and entrepreneurs were more successful in getting hired and funded when they joked about their capabilities. One example, I have a proven track record of turning caffeine input into productivity output.

20:52It signals confidence and warmth and humility at the same time. But the best kind of promotion is the kind you don't have to do yourself. Yeah, yeah, exactly. When we hear people promote themselves, we tend to discount it. When other people talk you up, it's more credible. Maybe a manager references your skills in a leadership meeting, or a coworker casually praises your work in a conversation with another colleague. There's even some studies that say, even if the third party has some interest in you being promoted, that they still receive the self-promotion more favorably. So, yeah, if you can avoid promoting yourself and have somebody else do it for you, that is going to be more effective. At the end of the day, whether people are willing to promote you depends on the reputation you've earned. And that rests less on the claims you make than the actions you take. Our image is the cumulative effect of all of our behavior.

21:50This is one of these things where actions speak more loudly than words, right? I mean, people see what your behavior is, how you act on a regular basis. That's what really matters. Throughout my career, one of my regular actions has been to be open about my failures. It's an expression of my commitment to learning and growth. From day one, I've been candid about embarrassing moments in my classes and bad decisions in my talks and books. But I've never put the major lowlights all in one place.

22:20until now. I failed to make the middle school basketball team all three years and then was cut from the high school soccer team. I failed the basic writing test as a college freshman. I co-founded Harvard's first online social network but failed to start Facebook. I failed to finish my four years as an NCAA diver. I was rejected by the University of Virginia for my first teaching job. I failed to invest in Warby Parker when one of the founders was in my class.

22:50I was rejected multiple times to give a TED Talk for three straight years. And I failed to look like a normal human my first time on TV and ended up getting roasted by Jimmy Kimmel. On a personal note, I've often failed to show sympathy to my kids when they're upset. I often jump right to solutions. I've consistently failed to show up on time for events with my family. And as discussed on this show a few months ago, I've regularly failed to wait for my wife Allison when we're walking places.

23:18Working on that one right now. Building a reputation is not about manufacturing an image. It's about leading with integrity. The best way to earn respect is to align your daily actions with your lasting values.

23:58Our show is mixed by Sarah Brugger, original music by Hans Dale Sue and Allison Leighton-Brown. For their evidence, gratitude to the following researchers and their colleagues. Sergei Gorbitov on personal brand equity. Allison Frigale and Laurie Rudman on the risks of self-promotion. Anna Bruch on the beautiful mess effect. Timo Nams and Konstantin Sidikides on narcissism. Susan Fisk on warmth and competence. David Day and Michael Wilmot on self-monitoring. Eric Van Epps on dual promotion.

24:28Dan Cable and Virginia Kay on self-verification Eugene Kim and Teresa Glom on Get Smarty Pants Adam Gulinski on status insecurity Eileen Chow on humor bragging and Christina Fong on having others sing your praises. Shout out to Stevie Lane, Gabriel Hunter Chang and Izzy Carter for lending their voices. And thanks to Tom Peters for putting personal branding on the map for better or worse.